DESPERATE for help!!

[Steve Blanchard]

TJH,

I believe most everybody here shares the same sentiment. I think as in all forms of art, even the greatest of artist don't feel they do anything amazing but truly enjoy what they do. I just want to enjoy this as well.

Steve

[Phugoid]

Guys,

I've been ripped a new one by some acerbic chaps on some forums and it's not much fun believe me, but this is perhaps a storm in a teacup?

I think that Szyp was perhaps a bit sensitive, but the comments were perhaps a little direct too - six of one and half a dozen of the other maybe?

Time for some a bit of kiss and make up? Szyp don't go........

[Steve Blanchard]

I'm cool if everybody else is. Not one to drag this kind of nonsense out.

Steve

[SteveM]

Just to clarify it was Steve M that mentioned your comment about the upside down markings on the Hellcat not Szyp or myself.

I don't mind you making me out to be a jerk in front of everyone for what you feel was a rude comment, but please don't lie and say that I brought up the upside down decal.

[Szyp]

Mr Duckett: it would be remiss of me to leave the forum without publicly thanking you for all the many various and sundry help and tips you have rendered me, and I will always be grateful that you took the time and spent the energy addressing questions I have posed, as inane as they may have been to others. You are indeed a master of model building, and your work is inspirational. I have never taken umbrage at any of your comments to me or others, but rather was impressed with your knowledge, kindness and willingness to help others on this forum. I understand your desire to banish me from your knowledge and skill, and accept it, except I think you may have misinterpreted any of my posts as negative for you. I have always said thank you for you help, and I have gained a lot from your help. If the members feel the statements made to me were not rude, that is their right. Since I do not feel the remarks were appropriate, then I am out of place.

One good rule of life is that we all make mistakes- that is why there are erasers on pencils- as a rule of thumb if a mistake is easily corrected, it is most likely good to point out; if it is difficult to correct for that person, it is best to say nothing. It is also good advice not to get into an argument you cannot win, following that premise, any upset I have cause anyone on this forum I apologize for and regret. I wish you continued success, and as you point out, if I were truly upset, my language would be of quite different nature. I would not use the term dumbass but I have a few of my own that would only degrade me in this forum, and the forum itself.

[yellowlynn]

The only thing I can bring into focus in this fracas is possibly a point no one thinks about. At my ancient age, I do not know what an ipod, or any of that i stuff is all about. Lurking on this forum is the extent of my knowledge and abilities. I have tried quite a few times to research subjects on forums to no avail. Unless the subject came out just recently, I walk in the dark.

I can't take sides in this because even tho I'm on one side (continually having to ask), I can see and understand both sides.

I am just finishing up the Hellcat, about the 6th model since I started after a 65 year layoff. I have read several explanations of how to post photos, and as simple as it is supposed to be, there is quite a bit where I feel like I don't know what you're talking about.

Consequently, I'm sitting on the fence on this subject, And it is barbed wire.

Lynn

[Xanadu]

I cannot believe what this thread became. Started out with someone asking to clarify something, and it turned into almost a brawl due to misunderstandings. And I know, from reading these postings, that is all it was........a misunderstanding.

If one does not want an answer, do not ask a question....that is pretty simple.
I am one of those people that when you ask me a specific question, you will get a specific answer........you may not like the answer, but it would be a truthful one at least.

We have so many knowledgeable builders on this forum , and a huge majority of them are willing to take the time and share that knowledge out of kindness. I for one have learned so much from all the folks around here, it had made me a much better modeler. And all the cost huge cost of $0 to me. When I have the opportunity, I also give back with no regards for myself, and do so at my cost, with nothing asked for in return not wanted. Just the feeling that I helped someone else on something is reward enough.

Life is too short, lets all play nice.

[ADW 123]

Mr Ducket- it was becuase people noticed here that my decal was upside down that inspired me to take it off and get a new one. i havent quite gotten around to buying it, as i am waiting for a necessary purchase from guillows so i dont spend 7 bucks for "a piece of paper" as you put it. very well.

Constructive criticism is a very big part of the form, but please let me try to make a point.

Most of the times (if not all) it is best when leaving constuctive criticism to also include some things that someone did right. in the instance of my hellcat, its not fun to have someone to just say your decal is backwards, and thats it. instead, i would encourage at least something possitive also, and not just things one did wrong.

no bads on anyones part here. im just saying that it is more encouraging (at least in my eyes) for a model builder to recieve some constructive criticism and positive feedback(things one did very well for instance) instead of a post where all it says if you screwed this up.

not trying to offend anyone here, Mr. Ducket, you should know i appreciate the comments you leave me with so i can perfect my work. often, one should start with some possitive, add some constructive criticsm in there, and finish with another positive (in theory) to encourage a builder. just constructive criticsm may seem like a neggative thing if thats the only comment left.


Echoing Xandu, lets all play nice. i hope what i said is considered...

[Phugoid]

David,

I don't understand your comment above please may you explain?

Andrew

[rayd]

I was on a very nice different forum some time ago for 5 years...but bickering like this caused it to deteriorate, then spammers jumped in, member count, posts decreased, along with interest. Too bad...this seems to be headed in same direction. I'm an older guy, life experience, lots of hobbies from the past...but I latched onto this site and its forum and comradary brought back pleasant memories. They are now fading, fast.

In this hi tech world, much can be misinterpreted with emails, in forums, etc...old ways are gone..in the time I participated, it seemed more...human here though. Guess I misinterpeted. We are all, me too in posting this, somewhat wrong with this thread overall. Maybe we had a bad day... I did, my daughter lost her job yesterday, the neighbor I'm told has the big C....why, this is nonsense what's going on here, the membership list may bleed or not post to the point of terminating what was a good forum. It made us happy. Maybe we all had a bad day, these are tough times. Let's try to fix what we can.

Some guy on Amazon keeps saying this is a lost art. Hogwash I said...but maybe he's right. It has been a forum like this that kept things alive. Allow me to suggest something, if you like, hurl insults at each other, defend, offend...and yes, it is part of my business, and all here, because you people are/ were a valuable part of this forum. Newbies are looking, others too...may I suggest a meeting of the intelligent minds here and now, and simply agree to wipe this thread off the forum immediately. Don't think about it too long. Use the PM to talk amongst yourselves to perhaps decide. But, the end of this forum may be near if this is not resolved...perhaps it is our test...we decide if we pass or fail.

[SteveM]

I don't understand your comment above please may you explain?

It is a reference to an ancient child's tale about an emperor who walked around naked because the entire kingdom was too afraid to tell him that his new clothes were in fact not clothes at all and so they simply told him what he wanted to hear.

[Steve Blanchard]

Steve M,

You are absolutely right. It was not you it was Szyp that made the decal reference. Please accept my apologies. I wasn't trying to make you out to be a jerk at any point. I was just trying to help point out that the comments being made sounded wrong. Again I apologize.
I have seen this on other forums as well and it is always the same people who get into this. I'm not saying that you do this often just pointing out that it is many times a pattern with some people. Everyone needs to understand that the person delivering the message is the one who is responsible for how it is received, regardless of the intent good or bad. So, before you post, read it like you are looking to see if it can be taken offensively. If you feel that everybody is too sensitive and everything you write is clear enough, then thicken up your own skin when someone calls you on it instead of making like you are just plain right and everybody else is wrong. Again, I cannot apologize enough for my mistake as noted above.

Steve

[ADW 123]

having heard this tale myself before, it is missleading of whether what Mr. Duckett meant by his comment to me was sarcastic or not. just saying

[Steve Blanchard]

David,

If the messenger is instructed to say "Your wife is serving pig tonight" and instead he says "Your wife's a pig", he// yes he just may get shot.

[Steve Blanchard]

ADW,

I have to say that the comments you have made just may be the most intelligent and mature of all. You have handled these criticisms very well and I aplaud you. I too am unclear of David's intent but I have faith in him that he's not going to jab at you like that.

By the way, you are on your way to being an excellent builder. I'd love to see you work more at the trimming and flying part. Your peanut build on SFA was great and I was hopeful you'd get that bipe to fly.

Steve