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First Build & Impressions-#502-Focke Wulf FW190

Postby Belmont » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:23 pm

I'm not exactly a newcomer to rubber-band powered planes. I used to play with the Guillows wind-up toy planes all the time as a kid, and I've always had a love for aviation, especially pre-WW2 aircraft. Also, I recently built a Dumas Piper J4 Super Cub just last month. It flew moderately well. Nothing amazing. I mainly have it on display, not for flying. However, this is my first Guillows kit.

Bought this kit and the 504 Spitfire at a hobby shop a couple weeks ago, and kinda left 'em on the shelf 'til a couple days ago. This is basically gonna be a build thread, and my overall first impressions of Guillows kits.

Basically, this series is horrifically out of date. Guillows has failed to update this series with modern materials since the early 1970s, it appears. The wood is cheap, inconsistent (some parts are almost paper like and cut like butter, and others are much more bass-like than balsa), and the die-cutting is not very good. In addition, the retro-ness is kinda cool and kind of a turn-off. It's neat because of the old-timey drawings, and a turnoff because some of it's so blurry and unattractive to modern builders. In addition, there are some misspellings in the handbook ("Most of excess canopy stock can be cut away with with sicissors."). It just doesn't seem inviting to a new builder. For one thing, cutting out the slots on the formers was tedious and full of breakage. To older builders who grew up building these, it's probably a nice warm walk down memory lane. However, crashes due to bad materials aren't something I'd picture as nostalgic :P To current builders, working around some of the flaws is a bit of a challenge. I like challenges, though.

On a positive note, most of the parts being pre-cut is a nice touch for beginners, and helps speed up construction. The vacuum-formed parts are OK, although cutting them out neatly is not my forté. It's come together quite fast, and the fact that the stringers are all one size and come somewhat attached together keeps things neat. The background info is interesting, and the specs and color-scheme give good modelling ideas. The blank white tissue is well-suited for custom color-schemes, and the decals seem decent. To keep the balance, I've alternated between heavy parts and light parts on formers and stringers.

Onto the pics:
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Also, how is the spinner supposed to be attached? Do I cut off the back part, attach the cone over the prop, and then glue the circle thing to the back of the cone between the bearing and prop? Do I get rid of the circle thing? Please help.
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Re: First Build & Impressions-#502-Focke Wulf FW190

Postby scigs30 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:20 pm

Belmont, You can search my user name on this forum and see that I have built plenty of Guillows Models and have flown them all successfully with rubber except the Stuka. Yes the 500 series is out of date, but don't expect Guillows to make any changes to the plans, all we can hope for is laser cut balsa. These are great kits but since they are die crunched, the wood is on the heavy side. The new laser cut kits have great balsa and I can attest to the that. I have snatched up every laser kit so far that Guillows has come out with and they are great. The back plate of the spinner gets tossed and the plastic spinner gets glued onto the prop.
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Re: First Build & Impressions-#502-Focke Wulf FW190

Postby Wildpig » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:25 pm

Welcome to the world of Guillow models. I've not built the FW190, but sounds like you do cut the spinner to fit over the prop and the glue the circular thingy on the back, to hold the whole works together. Honestly, I have trouble with keeping the spinners on correctly. For flying models, I leave the spinner off.
I know and a few thousand other Guillow model builders know, that the wood can be a problem. For the notches in the formers, a notching sander works better than cutting with an x-acto knife. If you don't know what a notcher is, it's a 1/16 stringer with sandpaper glued to one side. Rub it back and forth on the former and voila', a notch appears.

I personally like the Guillow plans. They look great, sort of like blueprints. One day, I think I'll frame my Triplane plans and hang them on the wall.

As far as plans quality, mispellings, pictures,etc,; I find they are about on par with some other mass produced kits such as the old Sterling line. And far better than some others, I've dealt with.
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Re: First Build & Impressions-#502-Focke Wulf FW190

Postby Belmont » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:56 pm

Alright, thanks guys. I'll look for some notch sanders next time I go to the hobby shop. They're mainly dedicated towards display models (like Revell), and the only other one nearby is mainly focused on trains. Tomorrow I'll toy with the spinner, and see what works best. I'm actually thinking of having the back bit spin freely between the cowling and the prop like a real rotary engine. It'll at least make a neat sound in flight.
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Re: First Build & Impressions-#502-Focke Wulf FW190

Postby Wildpig » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:58 am

You can make your own notcher. Use the search feature on this forum. I think Mr. Duckett explains how. It's very easy.

Incidentally, if Scigs30 says ditch the backplate, it's probably a good idea. Check out his build threads here and flying videos on Youtube. It's your model, do what suits you. :)
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Re: First Build & Impressions-#502-Focke Wulf FW190

Postby scigs30 » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:31 am

Here is my build, I must say with the Guillows wood she is a good flyer. I cannot wait until these come out laser cut. It is not so much the laser cutting I like, but the quality balsa that is supplied in the new kits. My next Guillows builds are the 300 series Cessna 170, Fairchild, and Porter.
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Re: First Build & Impressions-#502-Focke Wulf FW190

Postby Belmont » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:35 pm

More updates:
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Re: First Build & Impressions-#502-Focke Wulf FW190

Postby Belmont » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:25 pm

Updates!

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Re: First Build & Impressions-#502-Focke Wulf FW190

Postby Belmont » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:30 pm

Updates, part deux!
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Test glides showed that the bottom was pretty damage-prone and weak, so I took the landing gear pieces and cut them down so that they're just short enough to give the bottom of the wing some ground clearance, but not enough to land. It works pretty well, although it'll forever be a grass/dirt lander. Should this not work out once real flights start, I can just let 'em snap off. I'm thinking of not painting the plane, because there are no color schemes that look easy to paint. I might give it a white coat to hide the insides, though. I also added some tabs on the wings and tail-planes to make trimming extra easy. Not pretty, but danged if it ain't effective.

Here's a test flight before I got her properly balanced:
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So, whaddya guys think?
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Re: First Build & Impressions-#502-Focke Wulf FW190

Postby ADW 123 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:22 pm

nice work for your first kit. search around on the forum for covering and construction tips. it is very helpful. ask lots of questions! pictures help FYI. here are a couple pictures of my FW
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you will find that by looking at other builds of the same plane you can learn a lot and take a mental note as to what needs to be done better or not done at all next time. Guillows instructions are decently easy to follow, especially the 500 series kits. the wwII planes are hard to fly though. i would start with a high winged private plane like the cesna 180. there are some EXCELENT build threads here so if you look around, find a plane/build thread that is well detailed and then go buy and build the model using the build thread as reference. Also, note that if something doesnt seem right when you are putting something together, even the slightest bit, double check the instructions. often you may have simply misread or misunderstood what the plans were meaning to tell you.


here is a good thread to check out. long, i know, but packed with good info.

http://balsamodels.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2215&hilit=phugoid

more later. questions are always welcome.
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Re: First Build & Impressions-#502-Focke Wulf FW190

Postby BassettsAllSorts » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:52 am

Well done on your first Guillows kit...You will be hooked I'm sure!

ADWs info is spot on and his plane looks great too!

I have not made a model for some time, back problem, and also I have been building the 400 series version of this place for an rc conversion. Not so sure it will work (I think I am too heavy with the RC gear) I figure she will fly super fast and suffer a crash landling!!! I think the model shop owners over here in the UK don't understand how fragile the old Guillows kits are...well thats my excuse anyway :P

Still the fun is in the trying. I am really looking forward to getting back to rubber free flight and I have a few 500 series to build next starting with the Messerschmitt BF-109!

Well done again and I look forward to seeing your next Guilows build. The piper cub or Cessna would be a great choice!

With the former slot cutting I actually really liked doing that as with a bit of effort the stringers go in super straight which is more than I can say for some of the die cut slots i've encountered! I must be sad to like getting the ruller out and marking all of the slot cuts :D

Oh and check out Scigs' builds like he said although you may feel inadequate like I do when I look at them because they are superb!!

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Re: First Build & Impressions-#502-Focke Wulf FW190

Postby cliffm » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:40 pm

Hey, I got one of those aiming trees in my yard too. :lol: Not a bad flight for the first. My problem is getting enough winds on the rubber to keep them going for very long. But, never fear, after you get the trim right, the motor tuned in,and it gets a few good flights some major disaster usually befalls mine, like dog, trees,wild gusts of wind,still it all seems worth the effort if you can get that "one" really nice flight before major repairs are needed. Nice plane and have fun.
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Re: First Build & Impressions-#502-Focke Wulf FW190

Postby Bill Gaylord » Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:14 am

Just to get these little warbirds to fly that well is an accomplishment. It took me 3 builds of this plane to get a good one, for micro rc. One good thing with the 500 series is that they are so small, that they will put up with abuse. I had a thin overdrilled prop hub explode on my rc FW190 on the first flight, which then went in from 100 feet. No damage after nosing into maybe 8" grass/weeds tops.

The plane was built using hand cut light 1/32" formers, for all but the front formers. It may sound thin, but that's what I'll do again if I build another plane in this series. For rubber it would be excellent, as one wouldn't want the ballast in the nose, that an rc version can get from the gear and battery. I was able to sheet it with contest 1/32", and still likely end up lighter than if I had just tissue covered the stock heavy former wood.
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Re: First Build & Impressions-#502-Focke Wulf FW190

Postby Belmont » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:32 am

That's really neat. RC conversions are definitely on my todo list this summer.

Anyway, I've decided to paint her gold, like this FW-190:
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Let's just say it's very shiny, which means OOS will never happen :D
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Re: First Build & Impressions-#502-Focke Wulf FW190

Postby semgo » Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:54 pm

I'd like to say hello to everybody in this Forum by sharing pictures of my just finished #502 Focke Wulf!

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I just started balsa model building 3 months ago by buying the #501 P-40 Warhawk from Ebay because I was bored of TV and weather was bad outside.
I had so much fun building it that I went on building #502 the Focke Wulf.
Recently I went to the Guillow's website and found out about this forum and I must say I'm very impressed about all the pictures of great models I see on here.
Now at the moment I'm trying to do a rc-conversion of #503 the F6F Hellcat, but I just started...

Best regards SemGo
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