Introduction & One Too Many Test Flights

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Introduction & One Too Many Test Flights

Postby themazaman » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:52 pm

First, let me introduce myself. I'm a relatively new member of the board. I've been lurking for the past couple of weeks and have been really reading some of the old posts. I was just had a few weeks off of work, and I was in the local hobby shop with my 7 year old and I picked up kit 505 bf-109 so that I could take him flying.

I'm a non-practicing aerospace engineer and building this kit has reminded me of a lot of theory that I've forgotten. The last kit that I built was a little over 20 years ago in my aircraft design class. I think it was the Chipmunk. We were allowed to make whatever design modifications we wanted (excluding changing the prop or rubber band), as long as we documented the design change, its intended purpose/benefits, the theory behind the modification, and any potential drawbacks. In the end, we were assessed on range and endurance. We also received feedback from the professor on our design modification. I think the most common comment was, "dramatically increases manufacturing complexity and cost at a marginal increase in performance". I think that most design engineers need to learn that lesson the hard way from their 1st manager. :D

Well I just finished the basic build on the 109 last night and had it balanced. So my son and I took it for a test glide this morning and it flew nice and level, with no discernible roll or yaw. I showed my 7 year old how to hand launch the plane and he did great the 1st two flights. Then he tried the 3rd time and said he wanted to make it go farther. He forgot what I told him, threw it like a center fielder and ended up launching it banked 90 deg. This was the result:

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You know what, I really don't care. My son really loved the few glides he had, he learned something about flight dynamics, and he wants to help me repair the wing.

I do have one question and I apologize if this has been answered before. When doing some test prop winds, the glue bond between the prop shaft and the prop would break loose, unwinding the rubber band. I bent the shaft tip 90 deg., with no better results. What's the best way of securing the prop to the shaft?

Thanks,
Craig
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Re: Introduction & One Too Many Test Flights

Postby joecrouse » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:01 pm

welcome to the board.

Trim off the offending paper. Trim out the stringers replace em.
Debonder does wonders to help that (it also cleans up spray glue really good too.

To paraphrase an old TV show

YOU CAN REBUILD IT YOU HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY!

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Actually Looking closer it looks like she broke right at the wing root. That is actually a better than breaking wing in the middle or at the wingtip.
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Re: Introduction & One Too Many Test Flights

Postby Mitch » Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:35 pm

Welcome to the wonderful hobby of flying and crashing Guillow Models,

I never glued the shaft to the prop. On the larger kits they come pre assembled. I know you have to insert the shaft though the thust bearing and then the prop. By bending it 90 degress as you say should be sufficient. Check the prop to see if there is any flash (excess plastic) at that spot to allow the saft bent over to ride over that. Or you have a rounded bend that is not "Grabbing the prop well. Or the little raised potion of the prop is worn down. I would inspect and carefully make adjustments as necessary...

Here is a picture of what it should look like... This is for a 400 series, but the set up is the same...

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Hope that helps, And good luck with the wing repairs... I call it "Battle Damage"... You plane has its first "Badge of Courage"

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Re: Introduction & One Too Many Test Flights

Postby themazaman » Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:38 pm

[quote="Mitch"]WOr you have a rounded bend that is not "Grabbing the prop well. Or the little raised potion of the prop is worn down. I would inspect and carefully make adjustments as necessary...

I see the issue now. I think I sliced off the raised nib on the prop, thinking it was flash. I'll try filing a slot in the prop for the shaft bend to sit in.

Thanks,
Craig
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Re: Introduction & One Too Many Test Flights

Postby Wildpig » Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:51 pm

Hi Craig,
Welcome to the forum and free flight model airplanes :D That was a neat class assignment. Fun stuff.
I commend you on your attitude toward this learning experience for both you and your son. Glad you didn't blow up.

Keep us posted on the repair and future flights, please.
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Re: Introduction & One Too Many Test Flights

Postby Mitch » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:58 pm

Hey,

Just thought of someting else... You do not want to throw the model like a baseball... I know you son is excited... but I am getting these to fly and you might want to invest in some tan rubber. SIG makes it and you can order on line. I would say 1/4 inch for the 500 series. Get some rubber lube while your at it. When you launch the plane... I release the propeller... HOLD the model for about 2 seconds, then gently toss the model at it's natural flight speed. The inital tork of the turning prop will veer your plane to the left.

So you may need to add a trim tab...
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As you get better you can really wind up the rubber...
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Good Luck and Good Flying!!!
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